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Old 02-04-2017, 10:09 PM   #21
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The Douglass question to Spicer after that was one of the worst things I've ever seen. Neither the reporter nor Spicer seemed to know who the hell they were talking about.

Anyways...I think this is dangerously close to "My rules should be above the law".

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What is our country coming to when a judge can halt a Homeland Security travel ban and anyone, even with bad intentions, can come into U.S.?
The wording is dangerous here. If he said "when a judge decides to halt...", I don't think anybody blinks an eye. But the fact that he says "a judge can halt", it implies the theoretical situation. That judges shouldn't have this power period.

It's a federal court. It's supposed to be a balance and ensure that the government isn't exceeding its reach. By saying that you don't want the judge to have that power, you're basically giving the President unlimited reach. Which is more "elected dictator who only passes power because of benevolence and tradition" than Executive Branch of a system.
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Old 02-06-2017, 02:21 AM   #22
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From The Daily Banter:

People Will Die Because of Trump

"While all this was going on, incidentally, at the exact time that our SEALs were fighting for their lives in Yemen, Donald Trump wasn't in the Situation Room. He was in the White House residence -- trolling The New York Times on Twitter. Really. Imagine for a moment that it was a Democratic president who did something like that. Can you already picture the Articles of Impeachment in your mind?"
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Old 02-11-2017, 08:11 PM   #23
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So....yeah. Things are just as ridiculous as before.

Canada is flying in minister after minister to speak with their USA representatives. It's pretty clear that they're concerned about Trump and his interactions with NAFTA (renegotiating NAFTA hurting both sides immensely but being more painful for Canada than the USA).

Also in the same time frame, Trump has managed to ruffle feathers with rumours that he yelled at and hung up on of the USA's biggest allies (Australia), get into a tariff and travel war with Iran (both sides throwing tariffs and travel restrictions on the other), and have the UK government move against letting him speak in parliament when he travels there. Just a typical day I guess.

Then on top of that, he's managed to barely flirt off the conflict of interests after Nordstrom decided to stop carrying his daughter's brand of clothing due to poor sales (official company line). While he hasn't hawked the items himself, he sent out Conway to do it for him. Then reportedly got upset when his other staff sat down with her and told her how close it was to conflict of interest.

Oh, and after the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the decision to not reinstate the travel restrictions until the case is settled in court, he had this little gem basically after two minor court decisions go against him.

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Our legal system is broken! "77% of refugees allowed into U.S. since travel reprieve hail from seven suspect countries." (WT) SO DANGEROUS!
Be aware that all they're settling right now is whether or not the courts can even hear the case. The case set for...whenever this part is settled will determine if executive order is even legitimate.

If the dead man switch was Pence...I'll be happy taking the foot off that switch. Give me the "Christian Right" over a man who's not willing to accept that the court has power.

EDIT - If you're looking for "world" world politics, Canadians are growing increasingly upset at their Prime Minister for backing out of a promise to remove first past the post electoral systems.
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Old 02-15-2017, 06:34 AM   #24
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From the blog Gin And Tacos:

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Uh, Mr. Tangerine Man, maybe challenging the intelligence agencies, promising to purge their veterans and replace them with politically loyal nincompoops, was not your smartest idea ever?



If this results in the eventual removal of Mr. Tangerine Man and his gang of fascist goons from my country's government, there will not be enough popcorn on the planet Earth for me. ^__^
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Old 02-15-2017, 06:38 AM   #25
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Old 02-15-2017, 06:49 AM   #26
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But maybe I'm being too hard on Mr. Tangerine Man.

His master, Tsar Vladimir, may well have demanded the crippling of the U. S. intelligence agencies, in order to facilitate Tsar Vlad's desire to put the Soviet band back together, and Vlad probably has the blackmail material to make Tangie do it, even if Tangie knew the intelligence establishment would retaliate against him--so Tangie got caught between a rock and a hard place.

Tough $#!+, Tangie baby. When you make a deal with a devil like Tsar Vlad, you have no right to be surprised when he burns your @$$.
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Old 02-15-2017, 08:34 AM   #27
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Uh, Mr. Tangerine Man, maybe challenging the intelligence agencies, promising to purge their veterans and replace them with politically loyal nincompoops, was not your smartest idea ever?
Probably not. Also not good to go send Conway on what's practically a suicide mission in terms of conflict of interest, hang Spicer out to dry on his daily meetings, give Bannon a job which he has no right holding (and which Congress is slowly working to remove him from the Security Council), give us Stephen Miller who basically is just giving more ammunition for people to argue with, and basically sew general confusion among all the above by having them give conflicting stories. Oh, and keep his VP in the dark about all the above. Though that could all be through Priebus' design.

As for the constant contact with senior Russian officials:
- It's all speculative with no smoking gun. It's possible all this is coincidence. However, the number of coincidences adding up are slowly starting to erode at the plausibility of such a claim. The moves by Russia strongly reflect the actions they've taken previously when installing puppet regimes.

The follow up on all these Russian ties will be interesting. The agencies have the power to investigate Trump and, if they find some conclusive evidence, we could see a Watergate scenario play out. I don't think we'll see the Republicans unless they really think their chances of re-election are in trouble, which I'd say is probably 25-30% approval rating and a huge scandal like the above. Again, Nixon type issues.
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Old 02-16-2017, 07:02 AM   #28
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Nah. Obama's administration did almost the same crap as watergate and no one cared. That's the issue. As a whole, people yell, but no one really cares. No one wants to DO anything to change crap. Remember, that's why they elected him. Cause people were pissed that crap only changes for the worse and there's nothing you can do. So we found an angry man to mess shit up. The media will report and nothing will happen. Bill Clinton admitted to lying and adultery. Did we remove him? nope. You think we're gonna yank trump out already?? Perhaps, but I doubt it. Have some popcorn and watch the chaos.
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Old 02-16-2017, 08:01 AM   #29
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Nah. Obama's administration did almost the same crap as watergate and no one cared. That's the issue. As a whole, people yell, but no one really cares.
Not really.

Obama is the first president in a long while to not get everyone to actively hate him or have a major political scandal. As in, probably the first since HW Bush. W Bush got absolutely wrecked by the declining popularity in the Iraq occupation as well as took the brunt of the hate for the collapsing economy (to be fair, the latter wasn't entirely his fault and there's evidence to suggest that he was duped on the former). Clinton had his moment and was only spared impeachment by the Senate. Before that it was Bush and before him was Reagan and his Iran-Contra scandal.

There's a reason he never lost the nickname "no drama Obama" throughout his presidency. He's calm, precise, and never created a major deal. Despite all the controversial stuff he's done (intolerance against information leakers such as Snowden, drone programs and other impersonal attack campaigns, basically giving up on Guantanamo after asking once, getting outmanoeuvred by Russia in the Middle East once), he really didn't have any major event saddled on him. No major political scandal. The dislike came along party lines and it's why he ended 8 years in office on an approval rating comparable to Eisenhower or Reagan.

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Remember, that's why they elected him. Cause people were pissed that crap only changes for the worse and there's nothing you can do. So we found an angry man to mess shit up.
There's a line though. Messing stuff up is fine. Breaking the law isn't and there are questions being raised all over as to the legality of Trump's actions be it the power of his Executive Orders (quite a surprise too, mind you - the courts typically side with the President over EOs. So them striking down his travel restrictions, even temporarily, is bold new water) to how he conducted himself as a presidential candidate. Not to mention the conduct of the staff around him which have gotten ethics violations and now a resignation brought about due to possible political undermining.

I get the sentiment of breaking the established bureaucracy. But Trump is still a cog in a machine and he can't break the defined laws everybody's agreed to go by. So far, he's acted with little regard to them and he and his staff have to be routinely told "you can't do that". Any of his "minor" scandals (ex - Conway's conflict of interest) would have been the topic of the year for a Presidency. I can't even remember anything that asinine in all 16 years under Obama and W Bush. But it's not even the story of the week under Trump's story.

It's been 25 days. Even the Canadian media is tiring of having to report every detail (our news anchors, at the 3rd or 4th story, are now sometimes making snarky comments like "And more news from Washington today. That's just how it's been for the last little while"). I mean, I don't blame the news stations for reporting it. It sells. Canadians are more interested in the current chaos in the White House than they are in Trudeau and our own federal politics. Trudeau's broken a major campaign promise (changing our electoral system) and the deficit could be predicted as much higher than his minister originally forecast. But it's all flying under the radar right now because we're all in shock at what's happening south of the border.

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The media will report and nothing will happen. Bill Clinton admitted to lying and adultery. Did we remove him? nope.
The House of Representatives did impeach him. The Senate had to confirm it and they acquitted him. So they did try. They tried their hardest but couldn't get the Senate to fall in line. This is why I say it'd require a public and obvious embarrassment (again, like absolute proof that Trump knowingly let the Russian intelligence agencies interfere with the election process, a treasonous offence) and an overwhelming dislike from the populace (25-30% approval) to get him out.

But he's getting there. There's no smoking gun on any of this, but at this point I think we have to ask why he keeps ending up with so many guns and dead bodies lying around him. Why was his campaign so heavily in contact with Alfa Bank? Why were so many high ranking Russian intelligence officials in contact with his campaign? Why did Flynn engage in discussions he wasn't allowed to have? Why is every damn intelligence department in revolt against him? And why the hell was Mike Pence kept in the dark for so long? And, this just being announced as of a few hours ago, why is it even possible that European countries may know more about what's going on in the Executive branch than most of your federal officials?

http://www.newsweek.com/allies-inter...cations-557283

These are questions that are building and my belief has been that, while not evidence of a fire, the smoke is building and someone should really investigate it. I don't want to see a building burn down a block away.
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Old 02-16-2017, 04:18 PM   #30
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Dude, you are so liberally biased, Canadian. Not dislike him, are you kidding? Obama's approval once went into the 20%, that's the lowest in american history! He wasnt called no drama he was called a smooth talking crook from Chicago. People barked for years to see his birth certificate and it took 6 years for him to show us (so dont be surprised when it takes that long to see Trumps taxes). He did WAY more damage to the economy actually. It tanked, yes. However Obama spent more than twice the amount of money than every other president combined. a nearly 20 trillion dollar debt, thats called im going to rack up debt and the next president can cut out spending and jack our taxes to pay for what i spent. And yes in the last 8 years what did he really majorly do? Not much really. Guantanamo bay that he closed down, never got closed down, the obamacare, his claim to fame, is getting overturned, and all we got is tons of debt. everything with him was 'so important im going to bypass congress' and 'my hands are tied, i cant do anything cause i dont have majority control. dont think hes totally blameless.
But yeah your media i guess is just as bad, as you said 'getting tired of reporting it.' well leave it alone. you guys always seem to forget you don't get a vote, im sorry, i know you're our neighbors but this aint your country and you have no sway either way. You really go through all these efforts to defend Obama, hes not the saint you think he is. economically, hes a worse president than reagan or carter.
I think you're getting too much information from 'the american media' which is the worst place to get information. dont watch the 6 o clock news, you wont find crap without one of the heaviest bias there is. crazy the info youre getting about america up there.
as for whats happening with russia, wait about 2 months and see if its still festering before driving yourself crazy worrying about it. theres a massive game of telephone being played right now, the media makes it worse, blah blah. give it a while before freaking out about it.
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