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Old 01-20-2017, 06:15 PM   #11
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Old 01-20-2017, 06:50 PM   #12
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Thats my only problem. Tarrifs suck, they always do. They hinder a global economy.
They also hinder Trump's desires to lessen the USA Debt. His choices seem like two of the following: fly solo, improve the current USA economic situation, lessen USA debt. And flying solo will likely help the USA situation as of right now (as it would collect lots of tariffs as well as allow a more isolated economy where money flows within the borders)...but would damage that debt issue he wants to tackle.

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I hope Nafta gets overhauled to actually work and we have direct trade with canada.
On the topic of Trump demolishing ares of government: I find it an unusual tactic, albeit one I can understand. He's assigned people who will challenge the area to determine if there is value. Rick Perry, an outspoken critic of the Energy portfolio even existing, now has that. I'm sure Trump's hope is that he scrutinizes every dollar and will remove when he sees fit.

Will it work? Who knows. But having lots of the Republican "old guard" is certainly a failure. He's got more experienced political ministers than Justin Trudeau who really does represent a changing of the guard...even if I'm not a fan of Trudeau getting the reigns this quickly (and showing his inexperience as a leader on occasion).


But on NAFTA, Canada has already drawn its line I think. Trudeau has moved one of his most effective ministers in his short time as PM (Chrystia Freeland) to Foreign Affairs and had her sit in on many USA/Canada discussions after the Trump presidency. She has previously made comments which would seem contrarian to Trump's...her comment after signingsecuring CETA was to "build bridges, not walls". She also once spoke of her ban from Russia as an honour...though she now takes a more moderate tone and claims instead that working as a minister with an international portfolio means working with all nations (Edit - Note: there has been no reason given for her ban, though she has been an outspoken critic of Putin's). I think it's clear Trudeau wants to have Canada hold its ground and its current stances against the Trump administration. Will it work? Again, who knows.

I imagine Trudeau will hope him and Trump can find common ground. Nobody likes bitter contests...and it goes double for Canada/USA relations. Nobody felt comfortable when Harper got angry about Obama delaying (and ultimately denying) the Keystone XL pipeline. But I think Trudeau has already made moves to ensure that, if push comes to shove, Canada stands on its own instead of getting pushed around by the USA.

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I hope the entire tax structure gets destroyed and his three tier system works better.
Why not go full Libertarian then? Take on a one-tier consumption tax and have a rebate for those below a certain income? Easy and simple enough that the average citizen will absolutely understand it.

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Rip up some of this red tape that's been in existence far too long, seemingly as 'make work' projects for thousands of government jobs we just don't need to pay for.
Two things to say there:
1) There's almost always less red tape that someone will proclaim. I believe ex-Toronto mayor Rob Ford proclaimed that Toronto had a billion dollars of red tape. His eventual findings probably amounted to 50 million. Not saying red tape doesn't exist but that it's tough to gauge without getting inside and outside estimates almost always seem high.
2) "Make work" projects cut unemployment...so you'll spend less, get less done (since no private company will do something like fix your crumbling infrastructure), and have more people out of work. Trade offs are debatable, but I wonder if the USA needs jobs or the cash in government coffers right now.

Edit - This is fascinating. Trump's 2017 inauguration vs Obama's 2009.

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Edit 2 - Ugh. Literally in the transcript of his inaugural speech is this gem.

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At the bedrock of our politics will be a total allegiance to the United States of America, and through our loyalty to our country, we will rediscover our loyalty to each other. When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice.
Even in context it sounds horrible. But these two seriously sound like they could come out of Starship Troopers or a fascist manifesto. It's still worth giving him time to actually do things...but I've already thrown in the towel that he'll be anything but a mess as an orator.
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Old 01-26-2017, 03:31 AM   #13
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The Enlightenment itself is endangered in the USA.

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Old 01-26-2017, 08:37 PM   #14
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Fascinating. An entire department's (USA State Department...basically, the USA's foreign policy advisory) worth of senior management just resigned. It would stand to reason that resigned is code for "was about to get fired".

This, to my memory, is the largest mass resignation in an international portfolio. Note that this aren't politicians but lifelong professionals. Most served under multiple administrations (30-40 years or so) and there are virtually no private industry replacement options.

Tillerson's job just got a lot harder.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.934665e77b03
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Old 01-26-2017, 11:23 PM   #15
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Fascinating. An entire department's (USA State Department...basically, the USA's foreign policy advisory) worth of senior management just resigned. It would stand to reason that resigned is code for "was about to get fired".

This, to my memory, is the largest mass resignation in an international portfolio. Note that this aren't politicians but lifelong professionals. Most served under multiple administrations (30-40 years or so) and there are virtually no private industry replacement options.

Tillerson's job just got a lot harder.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.934665e77b03
To the Great White Amurkan Booboisie who elected Cheetolini, that's not a problem, since [moron]them eggheads don't know nuthin' anyway, and all we need is a Real Man With Cojones to brandish The Big Stick, and them cowardly furriners will fall to their knees and beg forgiveness.[/moron]
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Old 01-27-2017, 12:31 AM   #16
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To the Great White Amurkan Booboisie who elected Cheetolini, that's not a problem, since [moron]them eggheads don't know nuthin' anyway, and all we need is a Real Man With Cojones to brandish The Big Stick, and them cowardly furriners will fall to their knees and beg forgiveness.[/moron]
It'll be interesting. We're seeing people playing hardball on him and testing his "cojones" already. In the last couple days alone...
- Mexico backed out of a meeting with Trump after this Executive Order asking for a wall to be built (though this will still need Congressional approval for the actual funds for the wall)
- The Netherlands is pooling money to make up for Trump's defunding of organizations which even mention the word "abortion" (even if it is for lifesaving forms of it)
- Pope Francis warned Europe in very unsubtle terms that Hitler was voted into power. (there are some nitpicky points you can make regarding the Wiemar Republic's constitution...but you get his point)
- All his science agencies have bucked and started spewing comments from every orifice countering his personal beliefs on scientific comments (in response to him moving to gag his country's funded scientists)
- (Just because it's funny) Sales of 1984 have spiked since Conway made her "alternative facts" comment. It's happened before and typically whenever people feel like they're oppressed by their government. Happened once under Obama.
- EDIT - To add to groups testing Trump's will, Boston's mayor has promised to not back down on what Trump calls "Sanctuary Cities" (cities harbouring a lot of illegal immigrants) and won't change despite the loss of some funding from the government. Sounds like Seattle did the exact same and even offered to conduct their own business with Mexico should Trump decide to actually cut lots of ties with Mexico.

So...things escalated quickly.
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Old 01-28-2017, 09:44 PM   #17
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Double post because fairly major event. (Edit - Do note that the whole thing is currently being tried in court by the American Civil Liberties Union and other groups on it being unlawful. Bans are still in place.).



Trump has signed his ban on travel to the USA from certain Muslim majority nations as an Executive Order. Refugees and international visitors have no access to the US Constitution under law so it's being implemented. It was also done without input from DHS (Department of Homeland Security).

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...oscars-9709430

Incidentally, the countries who housed the 9/11 terrorists aren't on the list. None of them would have been prevented access to the USA. Nor would this have stopped the shooting in Orlando. Nor stopped the attack in Boston. Nor San Bernadino. Nor Fort Hood.

Actually...the nations blocked by Trump have committed 0 USA fatal terror attacks.

This is also getting a heck of a lot of attention because an Oscar winning director (Asghar Farhadi) will be unable to attend (and possibly accept) his latest Oscar nomination. That is to say that...yeah...refugees this is policy is not. I will hazard a blind shot now and bet his film wins Best Foreign Film and someone makes a political statement when they accept the award for him.

It's also not being grandfathered in. There are families who were given refugee status to the USA who are now stuck at airports after (literally in one case) selling everything they owned to get to there.

(Also included are green card holders. So if you went home to say hi to your family and this just got signed in, you're SOL right now unless they can convince the USA to change that part) - Priebus has now clarified that the rule, against previous actions by border security, will now be allowed. They will, however, receive additional screening.

(Also included are dual citizens. Canadians with Canadian and Iranian passports were denied entry to the USA) - Rules now clarified after a discussion with the Canadian Prime Minister that they will not enforce it against Canadian citizens. There were Canadians who were turned back because of this but it sounds like it was an error at the point of entry and lack of clarity by the Executive Order itself.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN15C0KX

And all that signed on Holocaust Memorial Day. Another group of refugees the USA heavily refused to assist.

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...I'm not going to argue that I was heavily in Trumps corner to begin with. But after his victory, I did give him a fresh "set of downs" to see if he turned the page.

The implementation of this plan is so messed up that it's hard to find reasons to see defences to this Executive Order. It's flawed to the core.

The last time I heard of Canada actively housing entire groups of Americans because they couldn't return home was after 9/11. I can't believe the next time would be this.

Edit - Minor thing. It looks like Trudeau's plan is to stand firm on Canadian values. This was his first comment after the above happened.

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To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada
Edit - Canada's "Right Wing" party, the Progressive Conservatives, are having a leadership campaign right now. Almost all of them have come out against the Executive Order, ranging from "Canada and USA did away with race-based immigration policies in the '60s" to a tepid "We should treat it as USA interior policies and focus on how we can impact the refugee scenario" and "I wouldn't be Canadian if there were walls like this". It's pretty stunning as the PC Party, which basically spans the range from Tea Party Republican to Democrat in its member's beliefs, have basically agreed on this topic. That is, the "basically a Tea Party" Conservative politician (who denounces people he doesn't like as socialists) came out against this move even harder than Trudeau above...going as far as to suggest ways to rectify the issue and encouraging Republicans to challenge Trump's Executive Order in the same way they challenged Obama's. Quoted before for the interested:

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1/ Just spoke to a former staffer of mine who was raised in Iran. Immigrated to Canada at 14, he ran as a Conservative for Parliament at 19.
2/ He is so Canadian he has a maple leaf tattoo. He despises the Iranian dictatorship & would be thrown in jail if he returned there. He has
3/ renounced Iranian citizenship, & is one of the most hawkish people I know on national security & integration. He is running a successful
4/ startup in the USA. As a result of yesterday's Executive Order, he is now barred from entering USA, where he has created dozens of jobs.
5/ Yazidi refugees from Daesh's genocide, US military officers of Iranian origin & countless others join him in being inadmissible to the US
6/ Meanwhile, Wahabi militants from Saudi Arabia are unaffected by this EO. This is not about national security. It is a brutal, ham-fisted
7/ act of demagogic political theatre. Now we are hopelessly polarized between the false choice of open-border naïveté and xenophobia.
8/ The Government of Canada should immediately facilitate temporary residency for bona fide travellers stranded by the EO, e.g. by issuing
9/ ministerial instructions to visa officers for issuance of Temporary Residence Permits under Sec 25 of Immigration & Refugee Protection Act
10/ Republicans in Congress who (rightly) challenged President Obama for making law through EOs should now challenge President Trump's EO.
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Old 02-04-2017, 05:13 AM   #18
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The latest offering from Cheetolini's House of Alternative Facts:

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Old 02-04-2017, 06:03 AM   #19
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The latest offering from Cheetolini's House of Alternative Facts:
You seemed like the smart one too, Kellyanne.

But I guess this immigration halt is the shitstorm that keeps on giving.

Now the executive order is blocked for the duration of the trial by order of court. That is, the travel restrictions are no longer in effect until the courts deliver their rulings.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN15I1CM

Of course, the White House won't take that temporary loss sitting down and has filed their own emergency stay. The below is actually their statement. Note that they eventually revised it...to remove the word "outrageous".

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Edit - Hahaha...a former PM of Norway (and all around incredible guy) was detained for further questioning before the EO was blocked. Because his travel history in the last 2 years listed Iran. Despite being the former head of state of a tight USA ally, a well known minister, having a diplomatic passport (which lists his status as ex-PM), and spends his entire life speaking about peace and human compassion.

But sure. He's a security risk.
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