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Old Today, 03:59 AM   #361
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And yeah Trump's edict now groups people in detention opposed to separating them, that's what the people barked over, he did it, and now people complain that it sucks, ya don't like it either way,
Actually, people "barked" because he created situations where current laws cannot interact well.

1) The Flores settlement states you cannot detain children 20+ days

2) Processing claims takes over 20 days

3) Criminal prosecution separates families from children.

In light of these two not working well, Obama had opted to not prosecute families criminally (unless they were repeat offenders) but still removed them from the USA. It just wasn't typically treated as civil.

Trump introduced a fourth point:

4) Prosecute all groups crossing the borders, even families.

Now you can see the issue here:

- If all families are all prosecuted, then it'll be almost positive that they'll take 20+ days to process

- You can choose to take away the children or leave them in detention

- If you take away the children, you end up with the previous result (which everyone hates - even in the partisan nature of today's USA, support is only ~50% among Republican voters). This is something Trump obviously felt was too politically damaging for his image.

- If you keep the children with the families, you'll likely break the Flores settlement.

The situation could easily be withdrawn if 4) was stricken by Sessions/Trump.
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Old Today, 04:33 AM   #362
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kirant i dont see what you're laughin at.

But to use your own words, by your definition of concentration camp, that includes 'in school suspension' or ISS. Wanna defend that? And yes I was talking about the nazi version of a concentration camp. The places where again TEMP holding happens, is by no means close to a death camp for everyone in it, and don't go over point by point again, you know what I mean. This is

This is boring, time for dinner :) I can't do this day in day out, you guys need to stop watchin the news every day, its unhealthy for you. I'm gonna go back to once a month. If something HUGE happens like Lucky Star gets a 2nd season...i'll find out.
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Old Today, 04:58 AM   #363
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kirant i dont see what you're laughin at.
Can't help you if your sense of irony is broken.

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But to use your own words, by your definition of concentration camp, that includes 'in school suspension' or ISS. Wanna defend that?
- Not persecuted without trial (trial already occurred)

- The targeted are not "aliens, members of ethnic minorities or political opponents" or a group of similar nature

- Typically not defined as guarded to prevent exit (Or maybe your schools are. The most I ever had was doors which locked to prevent entry).

- Probably more, but I think I've made my point.

Really, an in school suspension is more similar to a low security prison sentence than concentration camp.

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The places where again TEMP holding happens, is by no means close to a death camp for everyone in it, and don't go over point by point again, you know what I mean.
I will still disagree that it's not unfair to call it one though. You can disagree (and the reason you disagree is why many have wanted to change the definition of the German concentration camps to "extermination camps" as it's a special brand of evil) but what you have is arguably definable as a concentration camp.

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If something HUGE happens like Lucky Star gets a 2nd season...i'll find out.
This statement assumes that it's impossible to keep in touch on more than one group of topics.
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