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Old 06-28-2018, 03:35 PM   #371
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You can call me out of touch all you want or you can just explain it to me, I DIDNT get it, and you won't tell me what to search for? do i search for precious?
Try "Gollum" and watch some of the clips from the Lord of the Rings movies.

Or just do yourself a favour and just watch the Lord of the Rings movies.

Or read the books.

Any of the above work.


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I think you two are just in SO deep that you'd need to be a liberal 'in the know' to get these shots, meaning the people you are taking shots at don't get it...
Lord of the Rings is up there with Jaws and the like for most universally recognized movies (and many people still argue some of the best movies of the 21st century). One of the rare cases of the "nerd" genre of fantasy escapes into pop culture. It's certainly up there with Shatner's horrid acting as being well recognized.

I can't say the joke is particularly clever in this case, but basic interpretation does the job if you actually know the film in any way, shape, or form.
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Old 06-30-2018, 02:45 PM   #372
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From John Pavlovitz:

So Now You Want Civility?

Click here.

"After ignoring evidence of a Russian interference that threatens our national sovereignty."

I'm angry about most or all of the other things, too--but this is the most alarming, to me.

Back in the day, if I couldn't say anything else good about the Republicans, I had to at least admit they were patriots, if sometimes misguided patriots.

Today? I'm no longer so sure about some of them.

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Old 07-01-2018, 06:12 AM   #373
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Back in the day I used to have some good things to say about liberals, when I was a kid and was one. But now I see freakouts from people who claim to want tolerance for minorities while insulting the christians, jews, the corporate and spend all day and night being offended, and in their free time research all the hypocrisy that ever existed while doing almost nothing about it than badgering lawmakers into forcing people to get along which doesn't work. Don't act like all republicans are bad, on the other side of the fence we find the liberals to be just as appalling.
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Old 07-01-2018, 02:26 PM   #374
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"Don't act like all republicans are bad, on the other side of the fence we find the liberals to be just as appalling."

I disagree with that. Okay, not all Rs are literally bad; quite a few are simply, horribly, misguided.

I remember from my distant childhood, the GOP consisted mostly of moderates and conservatives, with small handfuls of liberals and, at the other end, wingnuts.

Now? The liberal Rs are extinct, the moderate Rs are almost gone, and even the old-style, Reagan-type conservative Rs have become a minority within that party. The GOP has become the Toxic Wingnut Party, and it appalls me that you seem to have fallen for their spiel hook, line, sinker, and flopping in the boat.

Meanwhile:
http://lancemannion.typepad.com/lanc...president.html

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Old 07-05-2018, 11:53 PM   #375
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Hey, look. I can find internet access on the road again.

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Back in the day I used to have some good things to say about liberals, when I was a kid and was one. But now I see freakouts from people who claim to want tolerance for minorities while insulting the christians, jews, the corporate and spend all day and night being offended, and in their free time research all the hypocrisy that ever existed while doing almost nothing about it than badgering lawmakers into forcing people to get along which doesn't work. Don't act like all republicans are bad, on the other side of the fence we find the liberals to be just as appalling.
I think the better point here is the rise of partisanship for both the Republicans and Democrats.

However, three big factors exist that previously were smaller factors:

1) A growing sentiment of being "with us or against us" from both sides. Republicans see Democrats under a specific light that fits completely against their moral code and vice versa. I think if you sat down actual Democrats and Republicans for true heart to heart conversations, they'd agree under multiple issues. However, the tribalism which Americans seem to fixate on is a major issue. That you're either in my camp or outside of it (and therefore my enemy).

2) A lack of willingness for Congressional members to reach bipartisan conclusions. This has been a growing issue for a while and I've shown the data for it before, but Republicans and Democrats in Congress are less and less willing to work together.

It's not that they themselves are drifting apart ideologically. Heck, Alabama Senator (who was just elected months ago) Doug Jones is well recognized as a conservative Democrat for his stances on taxes (decreased corporate tax) and firearms control (lack of restriction on assault weaponry). Conversely, Republican Susan Collins believes in pro-choice, alternative energy, and expanding background checks.

However, they refuse to work together. Many have speculated it's because of the publicity and the televised era of politics.

3) The tendency for people to build totems of the opposite side that they absolutely hate. I've linked to a CGP Grey video on it before (and, given the flakiness of my internet connection, I hesitate to try to hunt down the URL). But the key takeaway is this:

- If you only talk to "your people", you all imagine the "other side" as something you absolutely hate.

-- So, for example, Republicans in a circle may see Democrats as a pot smoking group of atheists who believe purely in "tax and spend" and talk over their lattes.

-- Alternatively, a pile of Democrats may start discussing Republicans as if they were paranoid Bible thumpers who see ISIS in every corner and demand protection of "mah guns" and plugged their ears if they were argued against.

Obviously neither are true and have almost no foundation in reality. But people who stick to their own circles (as has been a major issue in the USA) don't see this and those who step outside of it are so stubborn that I don't think the differences between their "image" of the other side and the reality are well recognized.
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Old 07-06-2018, 02:45 AM   #376
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Possibly. But in retort to KC, a LOT (more than me) of conservatives do see liberals as "pot smoking group of atheists who believe purely in "tax and spend" and talk over their lattes." And I will call a bias here because the liberals have overwhelming control of the media, thus the dubbed "liberal media." Now not all conservatives thing this way but a lot of us do because this is all we see. These on the news, these liberals are SO polarized, SO angry that you get "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" issue, where people say 'just to piss off the EPA, im going to buy a gas guzzler and put in a carburated 540 engine to offset a thousand Civics. Its the sentiment of 'the more you tighten your grip the more star systems will slip through your fingers.' yes thats from star wars but remember that star wars is your typical analogy of the cowboys verse the empire, ie america vs british.

In my eyes, I see the democrats so polarized that even I once considered "well i was a moderate in the middle but now im gonna have to become a psycho super-rightwinged conservative just to keep my rights." Yes the polarization is worse, but for now Trump is pushing the pendulum to the right side, which i like, so I for one will watch it push right, then the next liberal president can be a moderate and be 'the hero' but in the meantime im glad the tax laws got passed under trump. Unless you're all with me in a restart of congress altogether.
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Old 07-06-2018, 03:45 AM   #377
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How can the major media outlets be "liberal" when giant corporations own them?
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Old 07-06-2018, 05:08 AM   #378
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OH he who laughs last. You forget the giant known as hollywood. Here's a group of rich people, the actors and producers, of companies that produce entertainment, yet in this group, the rich are liberal, opposed to most trump-style tycoons who are capitalist and republican. Maybe its to do with your wealth is not made by your talent of making money, effecientizing companies and hiring the right people, but instead by the talent of being popular. Both require a skill, a building full of people set of making a good the public will buy. Those selling entertainment are more likely to be of the liberal side, when it comes to hollywood blockbusters, but what about the porn industry?

P.S. KC, you laughed but you and I both know that the media outlets ARE liberal, this isn't really opinion here. MSNBC, ABC, CBS all libs, and we know Fox is the only conservative one of the big boys, come on now.

Join the fat cat's company, work for em, make money, invest money, get rich, buy your own island like that punk Branson of Virgin. Or make your own country :) Who says this forum can't form its own country?
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Old 07-06-2018, 11:01 PM   #379
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OH he who laughs last. You forget the giant known as hollywood. Here's a group of rich people, the actors and producers, of companies that produce entertainment, yet in this group, the rich are liberal, opposed to most trump-style tycoons who are capitalist and republican. Maybe its to do with your wealth is not made by your talent of making money, effecientizing companies and hiring the right people, but instead by the talent of being popular. Both require a skill, a building full of people set of making a good the public will buy. Those selling entertainment are more likely to be of the liberal side, when it comes to hollywood blockbusters, but what about the porn industry?

P.S. KC, you laughed but you and I both know that the media outlets ARE liberal, this isn't really opinion here. MSNBC, ABC, CBS all libs, and we know Fox is the only conservative one of the big boys, come on now.
No, I do NOT "know" that. I see precious little, if any, evidence that what you said is true.

You have not simply drunk the Kool-Aid, you are mainlining it--and you are unwittingly enabling a political party and oligarchy of greed, cruelty, and TREASON.

No, I do not think you are a traitor; I think you, and millions of others like you, have been deceived by the traitors at home, and the foreign tyranny which they serve, Putin's Russia.

It will take a sharper mind and words than mine to awaken you.

May the Deity forgive all of you who have been deceived, and may He take the scales from your eyes, that you may see the truth.
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Old 07-06-2018, 11:34 PM   #380
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Again, speak english. What the hell are you refering to with Kool-aid? I don't get your references, just say it straight out. You think republicans as a party are greedy (I'll give you that, all mankind is), cruel (very subjective) and now treasonous? If more than 50% of a country feels one way, that becomes the will of the country, is that treasonous to that country?

And its not awakening me, I think its you who need to see the light. See I've been a liberal. When we're kids, most of us are. Our parents take care of everythiung, so you then want a big government to take care of everything. But then when you grow up and make your own money you say....hey wait a minute, all these people who are lazy or abusing the system and misspending, who's paying for that? Me.

So the progression is from liberal TO conservative. Therefore being conservative and accepting the natural selfishness of man is 'seeing the light.' this is the first step to actually trying to change things, opposed to the young and stupid who go on the news and yell "racist! racist!" and change things with guilt opposed to logic. I know why a lot of these laws are in place, and I think you are so narrow minded that you won't listen, as been shown with your seemingly physical inability to discard your sarcasm and hyperbole even for a moment.

PS You really don't think that MSNBC is liberal and Fox is conservative?? Cause if so, then we have different definitions on liberal and conservative then.
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