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Old 04-16-2018, 06:29 AM   #321
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No, it proves your bias...as a socialist?

"Throws YOUR money to the poor." First, ya misquoted me. Secondly note the word 'your'. This is taking away from my point and given your usage of the word your, implying a large government. You know the saying...the problem with socialism is eventually you run out of OTHER people's money to spend. So in fact this is a decent joke way to represent Canada now that I think of it. Both sides hating their government spending. From what I hear about Canada, both sides seem to hate their government all the time, while in America we take turns barking about which side is worse depending on the president. Right now we got Trump so its time to bitch about the republicans. After trumps term (or second), america may vote in a liberal, then we can complain about the democrats, and so forth.
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Old 04-16-2018, 08:46 AM   #322
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No, it proves your bias...as a socialist?
I think you might have stroked out halfway through reading it. Or just failed basic reading comprehension.

It literally states "not really representative of the truth". They're jabs at how anybody looking in can oversimplify the point.

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First, ya misquoted me.
It literally states "Corrected slightly", which states directly that they're modified.

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This is taking away from my point and given your usage of the word your, implying a large government.
Yes, they are written from the stance of a Democrat and Republican government...a change I opted for as I classify the governing styles as oppose to the voter.

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You know the saying...the problem with socialism is eventually you run out of OTHER people's money to spend.
That is literally a saying I've never heard before. It has as much bearing to me as the phrase "the problem with cost cutting is that eventually there's no more staff to fire". I couldn't tell them apart from a phrase made up on that spot (which my example literally is).

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So in fact this is a decent joke way to represent Canada now that I think of it.
I'd say it's a better representative of your phrase is the USA given how you guys have a proportionately larger deficit. I mean, if there's any representative of spending addictions in the world, the USA is way up there.

Certainly you guys are less balanced in how you distribute your wealth. However, you guys just don't like paying for things whereas other nations tend to balance their books.

For example, if Canada scaled up to the USA in population (and linear scaling in deficit), we'd run ~200 billion a year in deficit (contrast your ~700 billion). In fact, one of the countries most invested in social spending (Norway) only recently broke away from its tradition of running budget surpluses (and they quickly bounced back).

Canada has the people screaming at our government to curtail spending while the Republican Congress just voted in a ~200 billion/year increase to your deficit.

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From what I hear about Canada, both sides seem to hate their government all the time, while in America we take turns barking about which side is worse depending on the president.
If you want to take the cynical look at it, Canada's typical electoral situation is that we can't believe, out of the ~35 million people, that we could find people as unlikable as those running for office. Our choices are almost always the "least evil" we have of our parties.

Rarely do we get excited for a candidate. We just instead get annoyed with the current party and vote them out so we can move on.

By comparison, I tend to see the USA get stuck more in the "us vs them" scenario because you only have two parties. You're either a Democrat or a Republican. There's no in between...especially in the last 5 years or so as the definition of the two begin drifting further apart.
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Old 04-16-2018, 09:44 PM   #323
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Old 04-16-2018, 10:12 PM   #324
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That pretty much summarizes how I'm watching the USA at the moment. It's somewhere between "Holy crap, I can't believe that it's this much of a trainwreck" and "You know, someday they make a movie out of this, I'll have to tell younger generations that this wasn't made up and it was actually true".

As an example, just today Fox News' Sean Hannity (one of the most ardent defenders of Trump) has been named in court as one of three major clients of Trump's lawyer...the other being ex-Republican National Committee's Financial Chair: Elliott Broidy.

Broidy resigned after it came to light Cohen brokered an agreement between him and a Playboy Playmate (worth 1.6 million) after their extramarital relationship ended with a pregnancy.

I mean, I couldn't come up with this insane if I was writing for House of Cards. Reality TV has become reality at this point.
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Old 04-20-2018, 05:09 AM   #325
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the jokes we will tell the younger generation is, yes, a porn star is suing the american president on the grounds of defamation. that's the punchline. i did what he said, i lied on tv, but he made it look like i was lying about something else and dammit i have my morals, im a porn star.

anyway. kirant, our last several elections were also 'lesser of the two' bad guys. the issue is that if you wanna make tons of money, you go do that opposed to running for a government job. that and the people you want to run, either dont, or cant wedge themselves into the crapstorm of the media. trump did it by being totally anti, and it worked. and i think him being president is cause....well hes bored, he made his money, and now hes making laws so he can make more if he wants. plus the next democrat who gets into the office can spend the next 4 or 8 years trying to restore political correctness, then the next republican can destroy it again for people like me.

and im out for now
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Old 04-20-2018, 07:00 AM   #326
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the jokes we will tell the younger generation is, yes, a porn star is suing the american president on the grounds of defamation.
That's the most scandalous one. I mean, we're at the point where his lawyer is likely going to get at least put on trial.

However, we also have to include:

- A Communication Director, one of the highest ranks in government, literally lasted only 10 days and is on record for saying, to a reporter (without asking it to be off the record), that he isn't Steve Bannon because "[he's] not trying to suck [his] own c***" (his words, not mine).

- That it's not outrageous to think that President of the United States hired prostitutes to urinate on a bed. Purely as a "screw you" to the last president.

- High ranking staff members (ex - Head of the FBI) are finding out they are fired either by the TV or by Twitter (as oppose to, you know, a face to face meeting or a letter)

-- During the firing of the Head of the FBI, his staff tried to claim it wasn't about a Russia investigation...and was instantly contradicted by the President of the United States in his next interview (which, incidentally, led to Mueller being appointed to investigate it).

- His lawyer is being charged with crimes related to protecting the President of the USA
-- Said lawsuit against Trump's lawyer also ties Trump to Fox News.

And this isn't including the less insane things (such as claiming Obama wiretapped him and a communication advisor suggesting it might have been in the microwave, failing to condemn the KKK and David Duke instantly, and general insanity on Twitter).

Most of this you couldn't make up with a team of writers. Yet here we are. It's just one long political drama show at this point and you know someone is going to make a movie or documentary out of it someday. And we have to explain that, no, all this literally happened. The subplot with the porn star leading to Trump's lawyer leading to Fox's Sean Hannity wasn't made up.


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i did what he said, i lied on tv, but he made it look like i was lying about something else and dammit i have my morals, im a porn star.
It seems much more mundane. It's more along the lines of "I had an agreement. Now, after legal consultation, it looks like the agreement actually isn't valid so I'd like to get out of it".
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Old 04-24-2018, 09:51 PM   #327
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No, the porn star actually lied on TV, i saw her admit it live. and again, its not about an act, its about a porn star sueing for defemation, surely you can see the joke there.

NOW, here's good news for you kirant, and all other very liberal canadians wanting possible warmer weather. California got the go ahead to collect votes. Yes just like Quebec tried 20 years ago, parts of california are SO liberal and hate trump SO much that they are proposing an actual secession to become its own country.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...ignatures.html

I, for one, cannot go to Cali because I've got a smoking allergy and am vehemently against druggies/potheads. Also my car's engine improvement, boosting fuel economy, reducing emissions and adding a little power, is illegal by california blanket laws. so as a car guy, knowing california is where emission standards COME FROM, wouldnt mind if cali left. Take hollywood and people like Joy Behar with you, see you at the UN meetings Cali.

Granted this will make Trump's wall considerably larger...
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Old 04-24-2018, 10:08 PM   #328
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No, the porn star actually lied on TV, i saw her admit it live. and again, its not about an act, its about a porn star sueing for defemation, surely you can see the joke there.
Not really, given that defamation is slander. Lying to prevent breach of an NDA doesn't create the sense of irony I think you're trying to call humour.

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NOW, here's good news for you kirant, and all other very liberal canadians wanting possible warmer weather.
Point of order - I'm not really a "liberal Canadian". I would fit as centrist in Canada, maybe leaning toward the conservative side (as the Liberal party represents our "centre" party...NDP is a "left party" and PC are "right").

I find many aspects of our Liberal party (ex - willingness to not seek financial balance) problematic while I also dislike many aspects of the Progressive Conservative party (ex - unwillingness to sign any form of climate change legislation, social conservatism). My vote tends to flip between the two depending on the year.

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California got the go ahead to collect votes. Yes just like Quebec tried 20 years ago, parts of california are SO liberal and hate trump SO much that they are proposing an actual secession to become its own country.
And it has just as little ability to leave as Texas did when Obama got elected (despite all the angry yelling from Texans wanting to leave). Ho hum. Let me know if they actually form their own nation.
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Old 05-31-2018, 09:35 PM   #329
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I figured I was going to wait until this whole North Korea thing sorted itself out, but no. Here we are.

Quick news:
- Ireland has officially voted to end state banned abortions by about 2-to-1 majority (66% for the removal of the ban). The text they effectively removed was that the unborn and the mother were considered equal under the eyes of the law.

- Trump lawyer Michael Cohen seems in even deeper trouble now as it's been reported he has taken in tonnes of cash from companies and countries in exchange for access to Trump.

- In a case of "duh", the Senate of the USA has concluded that Russia was working to elect Donald Trump in 2016. This is news primarily because it disagreed with the House committee findings.

- The Philippines seems on a slide to complete totalitarian regime with Duterte controlling all branches of government.

- Much of the EU (and the UK) has moved to ban use of single-use plastic.

Now...the long stuff. Kind of makes me miss the days when we were mostly discussing adult film actresses suing people.

USA v World 2 - Electric Boogaloo (Alternate title: Welcome to Trade Wars)

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I guess we're now living in a world where the USA thinks it is the kingmaker that it was in the Cold War and decides to apply 19th century economics to a 21st century world. All while holding the economics understanding of a Macroeconomics 101 student (the same macroeconomics which makes such ludicrous assumptions as "everybody is knowledgeable of everything in the market as soon as it becomes available" and "technology like automation doesn't impact the marketplace").

So, today, Trump introduced a bunch of tariffs and restrictions of trade with key US partners (EU, Mexico, Canada). All of them are below (all while not imposing any tariffs on Russia despite bipartisan agreement between House and Senate to impose them):

- (This one is only planned and not implemented) Banning import of German luxury vehicles: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/31/trum...in-the-us.html

- Introduced tariffs on EU, Mexico, and Canada for steel an aluminum. Actually, the better way to say this is that they're no longer excluded from the tariffs: https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...=.cc0ac34522d0

Oh, did I mention that this is all under the policy that Canada is a national security threat to the USA? No? Well, that's how the Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross is defending it. He also claimed that he expected no significant impact by imposing these tariffs.

Did I also mention that most steel companies in Canada have American ownership and that most American companies do it for the sake of mixed supply? No? Damn, I'm slipping. Well, they do and this is a hilarious case of shooting yourself in the foot in order to save your other foot.

So, as you'd expect, the retaliation for this was swift (here's a nice summary article https://globalnews.ca/news/4244709/u...s-retaliation/ ):

- The EU has imposed a long list of import duties on products that's fairly blatantly targeting areas of employment for Trump voters (meaning their beef is with Trump more than the USA): http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/doc...doc_156648.pdf

- Mexico followed suit and imposed duties on a whole variety of produce: http://wqad.com/2018/05/31/trump-hit...minum-tariffs/

- Canada has imposed equal duties on steel and aluminum back. That is, they've imposed tariffs on products with equal value to the amount of USA import of steel and aluminum (16.6 billion dollars of imported goods to Canada): https://www.fin.gc.ca/activty/consul...cmpcaa-eng.asp

Canada and the EU have also filed formal complaints, stating that the tariffs are unjustified (that there is no national security concern over these tariffs). I've said it before, but the last time this happened, the USA got slapped with so many authorized sanctions that Bush just dropped the idea of a steel tariff.

Oh, and here's a literal quote from today's press conference from a Prime Minister (about Trump's tariffs) who has almost nothing bad to say:
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We have to believe that common sense will prevail but we have no evidence of that today.
I mean, Canada buys half of USA's steel exports. The USA buys a massive amount of Canadian product. This plan makes no sense from the USA's perspective unless your plan is to just pretend the rest of the world doesn't exist.

Oh, and Japan is already worried that the USA will target them next. They've already stated it'll be unacceptable if the USA adjusts any trade deals.

I mean, all of this only makes sense if you think from a 19th century perspective where you can isolate yourself and nothing bad happens. However, trade isn't a zero sum game and the world lives off trade these days. Cutting yourself from it will mostly hurt yourself.

The trade war with China has gone -ever so well-, with the only things coming out of it so far being a Chinese company (ZTE) gaining assistance in the USA.

Oh, and Ivanka Trump getting trademarks in China.


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If you're in the purple or red states here, prepare for pain:


If you're in the dark blue or purple states here, prepare for pain:


Last edit, I promise. An anecdote I found on Reddit from users who work in the USA to give you an idea of how badly the trade war could go.

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As an estimator for an architectural firm I can tell you (for example) the price of domestic aluminum plates has doubled in the past couple of months. A 96" x 48" plate of 1/4" 6000 series aluminum was about $450 in January, now it's close to $1000. That's just from the China tariffs. Now add this on top of it... we're going to lose a few bids - everyone is going to lose a few bids. Designers are going to have to reconsider their drawings, or end-users are going to slow down with purchasing builds.

https://www.reddit.com/r/news/commen...minum/dzvuyay/


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God. This feels like it happened ages ago. Whatever.

Anyways, a while go, North Korea started defrosting tensions and offered to negotiate to denuclearize their country once again (the last part there being kind of silly to me as it seems like the obvious situation was that a nuclear test of theirs destroyed their lab and there isn't anything left to denuclearize). They extended an offer to meet the USA. Trump agreed.

Now, personal opinion here, but I think North Korea should have been met by a part of the the White House but not the President. There's no need to place them as an equal partner right now.

Regardless, the deal was made and the North Koreans released detained Americans. I'm happy to say that's really good news. In fact, North Korea (when we all thought the meeting was going to take place) was basically the only thing most people in the USA thought was being handled well by Trump (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...is-presidency/ )

However, then things go stupid. After a date and time are set to meet, Trump's National Security Advisor (John Bolton) suggests that they'll use the Libya model for North Korea. Keep in mind that this model ended with the head of Libya, Gaddafi, killed on the streets. And sodomized with a bayonet.

So understandably, the North Koreans were on edge. Things went over the top when the USA and South Korea conducted practice (something that always sets off the North Koreans). At this point, they start insulting people and Trump, for whatever reason, pulls out of the meeting and seems to blame North Korea.

At this point, North Korea turns around and says "we didn't want to cancel. We're fine meeting". South Korea also met them in a surprise meeting, seemingly cutting the USA out as the middle man.

The USA has sent back delegates to discuss meeting terms...but at this point, who knows what's happening.

My personal interpretation is this:
- Comments (mistranslated. mind you) from South Korea's Moon Jae-in caused Trump to put extra emphasis on himself. The comments appear to be: 노벨상은 트럼프가 (타고), 우리는 평화만 가져오면 된다
-- Side note: I don't speak Korean, but it seems like those who speak it claim that the translation most heard (that "Trump should win the Nobel Prize, all we want is peace") is incorrect (and that it is better translated as "Trump can win the Nobel Prize, all we want is peace"). That is, who wins the Nobel Prize isn't important to them.

- The USA has even gone as far as to print commemorative coins of the meeting (which may not take place! That's a pretty bad case of counting your chickens before they hatch)

- The military drills put North Korea on edge and, seeing how important the meeting is to Trump, have sent signals that they don't think they'll be effective.

- Trump pulls away from the meeting (without consulting others - note that South Korea was completely blindsided by the move).

- North Korea sees an advantage and pretends to play nice. Now they look like the rational ones between themselves and Trump when it comes to setting up this meeting.
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Old 06-12-2018, 11:19 PM   #330
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Well here ya go Kirant. Trump and Kim Jong Un met and look at that, they accomplished something. So, one point for Trump. Looks like he actually did something in global politics that everyone agrees with :P As for the arguement with Canada and US, hey you know it wont last. I for one, and I bet you agree, NAFTA is a joke, and needs to be destroyed and rebuilt. As every Canadian complains, doesn't it cost a fortune to ship to you guys? Hehe. I know I can ship to austraila cheaper than i ship to Canada, cause your border checking fees suck, and the post-shipping bills? Thats not free trade. I'm hoping when the trade balances out, with our next american president we can do away with tarriffs altogher. Global state anarchy with global free trade!
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