Kagami Yoshimizu's role in the anime

[Droote]

We all know that Kagami Yoshimizu made the manga of Lucky Star, which later became adapted to anime.

I just wonder how much control did Kagami Yoshimizu have of the anime? Clearly some liberties were taken in the animes and the producers added a lot of stuff to it.
Did KyoAni be like "Here's a lot of money for letting us use Lucky Star, and now we will do whatever we will with it" or did Kagami Yoshimizu have to be with the producers to tell them how to do things and be more with the production of the anime?

Note: I have only read the first manga, so I don't know what more was used from the other volumes (if there was anything at all).

[VK-Skelton]

Nyamo.

I don't think he had any greater role in the anime than any other manga-ka does, they may have run things past him but for the most part it would have been KyoAni running the show, chosing what to adapt and what new to make. Manga-kas rarely have that bigger input on anime adaptations.

[Droote]

Hmm... ok thanks.
I wonder what he feels about the anime.

[Shiraishi-kun]

Kagami Yoshimizu-san was supervisor for the anime. He had a fair amount of control, but I'm glad he gave KyoAni the degree of freedom that they had.

[Droote]

^Yeah me too, cuz the anime turned out great!

[Whitenblade]

Kagami Yoshimizu's role in Lucky Star, eh?
"Role", as in: "Do a barrel role!"?
No? Well, I was close, right! You were talking about "Role" as in "Roleplaying Games"? No!? I give up! Someone tell me! (Random Whispers)

Oh, thanks dude. His role? Don't have a copper penny of a clue! Probably bossed people around, or forged his euphoria into Lucky Star, or something!

Ok, I lied! I don't have a scratch of dirt of an idea!

[Shiraishi-kun]

^Yeah me too, cuz the anime turned out great!


Yep. It was made into a great comedy series with mild dramatic moments sprinkled about it's second half.

Not to mention having the only tearjerker moment in an anime I wil NE-VER shut up about.

[7h3101im4idw0lf]

^Yeah me too, cuz the anime turned out great!


Yep. It was made into a great comedy series with mild dramatic moments sprinkled about it's second half.

Not to mention having the only tearjerker moment in an anime I wil NE-VER shut up about.



Kanata?

[Shiraishi-kun]

^Yeah me too, cuz the anime turned out great!


Yep. It was made into a great comedy series with mild dramatic moments sprinkled about it's second half.

Not to mention having the only tearjerker moment in an anime I wil NE-VER shut up about.



Kanata?


Damn right.

[7h3101im4idw0lf]

It wasn't a tearjerker but It certainly sobered me up quite a bit...

[Shiraishi-kun]

It wasn't a tearjerker but It certainly sobered me up quite a bit...


Tell that to TVTropes.org. Just look up "Lucky Star" and scroll down to where it says "Tear Jerker".

[Kirino]

I cried the first time I saw this scene. It's just so beautiful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sPKR0c0erc

[Lucky Flame]

I actually think that scene really surprised me the most because I really didn't expect it.

[Shiraishi-kun]

It surprised me the first time (my friend sent me a link while I was still on episode 16), then I cried a bit when I watched it a second time.

I just broke down crying when I saw it in the episode itself, however.

[Lucky Flame]

I cried when I saw it the first time.

[kirant]

I was wondering "Can somebody get to the punchline?". It was unusually heart-touching for a L*S moment though...

Sadly though, the part B of Ep 17 (I think) actually had me teary, but this didn't.

[Lucky Flame]

Wait, whats that part?

[kirant]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEtfTWX_gBw&feature=PlayList&p=A4F0F3D395302C43&index=50

[Lucky Flame]

Oh yea that part. Yea that was sort of sad as well.

[7h3101im4idw0lf]

try putting "shiawase kanau kanata kara" while watching the kanata scene, its literally meant to fit in perfectly

[Shiraishi-kun]

try putting "shiawase kanau kanata kara" while watching the kanata scene, its literally meant to fit in perfectly


Maybe that's because there's an instumental of it playing during the scene?

But, yeah. Why,did you see SaberAlastor's video of it on YouTube?

[Droote]

Going off-topic are we? :p
Anyway, I started to re-watch LS today, because I finished Haruhi Suzumiya yesterday, and I noticed at the ending of the show it said:
© Kagami Yoshimizu / Lucky Paradise

[7h3101im4idw0lf]

I'm rereading the mangas, volume 4 ATM

[Droote]

Cool. Anything there which were used in the anime?

[7h3101im4idw0lf]

Well alot of it was used >_>

[VK-Skelton]

Going off-topic are we? :p
Anyway, I started to re-watch LS today, because I finished Haruhi Suzumiya yesterday, and I noticed at the ending of the show it said:
© Kagami Yoshimizu / Lucky Paradise


We're still vaugly on topic, it's hard when the topic has been resolved (to an extent)
Of course he owns the copyright, it's his characters and ideas (mostly).

[Droote]

Well alot of it was used >_>


Is it going further than the anime did? Like after high school or something?

[7h3101im4idw0lf]

Nah, doesn't go past highschool and it's still going on I think

[VK-Skelton]

The anime ending was filler, right?
Or canonically are they near the end in the manga?
I'm betting on the former, myself

[Droote]

Hmm... Then there's no hope for a new season of the anime?
Or maybe they could do it as they apperantly do with the Haruhi anime, where you blend new episodes with the older ones. (Well, that's what I at least think they do on Haruhi).

[7h3101im4idw0lf]

i am pretty sure the former is correct[hr]

Hmm... Then there's no hope for a new season of the anime?
Or maybe they could do it as they apperantly do with the Haruhi anime, where you blend new episodes with the older ones. (Well, that's what I at least think they do on Haruhi).


the mangas are still ongoing, theres a chance of a second season but theyre backed up with haruhi atm so at earliest, itll be around december this year since thats around when the second season of haruhi is going to end

[Lucky Flame]

That would be a good idea for a second season to start after Season 2 of Haruhi is done.

[7h3101im4idw0lf]

hmm but unless theres absolutely no mangas to convert to an anime, i doubt it

[Shiraishi-kun]

That would be a good idea for a second season to start after Season 2 of Haruhi is done.


Just like the first season was tied to TMoHS Season one. I agree.


hmm but unless theres absolutely no mangas to convert to an anime, i doubt it


It's a monthly manga, where a new chapter is released every month, and the anime hasn't been updated for two years. Odds are, there's gonna be plenty of it to mix in with some anime only stuff.

But, we're beginning to go off-topic. I opened a topic a while back where you guys can talk about this, so go there if you wanna continue to expand on this, please.

[Konata_is_Mine]

^ The Anime most likely will start again when TMoHS season 2 ends,

Now back on topic:
I think he reinvented the "Slice of Life" Genre by introducing believable yet still stereotypical Characters.

[Shiraishi-kun]

Yes. Unlike all other Slice of life anime, Lucky Star did something that no other previous slice of life has done and has made a great manga and anime featuring characters that readers can fully relate to. It's the every reason I became hooked, because the one thing I kept saying throughout each episode is "I know how he/she feels!"

[7h3101im4idw0lf]

He makes it seem like IRL people talking about mangas and animes... IN A MANGA/ANIME

[Konata_is_Mine]

If I saw Konata in real life acting like she does in Lucky Star I'd think
A: OMG KONATA
B: She acts like a real person, was Lucky Star made by following real people around?
C: Konata will you marry me?

[Shiraishi-kun]

If I saw Konata in real life acting like she does in Lucky Star I'd think
A: OMG KONATA
B: She acts like a real person, was Lucky Star made by following real people around?
C: Konata will you marry me?


I'd be doing that too.

[Misao]

Kagami Yoshimizu-san was supervisor for the anime. He had a fair amount of control, but I'm glad he gave KyoAni the degree of freedom that they had.


That makes sense, considering how hard-sourced it is! I could barely tell they had switched directors after the 4th episode, so that could be why.[hr]

Yes. Unlike all other Slice of life anime, Lucky Star did something that no other previous slice of life has done and has made a great manga and anime featuring characters that readers can fully relate to. It's the every reason I became hooked, because the one thing I kept saying throughout each episode is "I know how he/she feels!"


Kagami was simply jotting down life experiences that came to mind with no cartoon exaggeration of any kind, and happened to use iconic designs for the characters. The fact that it's a cartoon had no effect on the subject matter. It;s sort of like how Carl Barks wrote and drew the Scrooge McDuck comics- he said he saw them as normal people who happened to have beaks!

[VK-Skelton]

Yes. Unlike all other Slice of life anime, Lucky Star did something that no other previous slice of life has done and has made a great manga and anime featuring characters that readers can fully relate to. It's the every reason I became hooked, because the one thing I kept saying throughout each episode is "I know how he/she feels!"


Kagami was simply jotting down life experiences that came to mind with no cartoon exaggeration of any kind, and happened to use iconic designs for the characters. The fact that it's a cartoon had no effect on the subject matter. It;s sort of like how Carl Barks wrote and drew the Scrooge McDuck comics- he said he saw them as normal people who happened to have beaks!

That's why I like the Sketchbook 4koma (or at least, I do when they steer away from doing puns in a language I can't understand).
Also Carl Barks' Scrooge is awesome, to this day.

[Droote]

Off-topic:
Carl Barks rock, but I would dare to say Don Rosa is even better. It's a shame Don Rosa just retired :(

[VK-Skelton]

Don Rosa was great, but he said it himself that all he was doing was essentially just official fanfiction of Barks' work. It's a pity his eyesights deteriorated so much that he can't even draw anymore.
Err... do we need a new thread?

[Droote]

Haha, perhaps, I'm a big Don Rosa fan. If there's more to discuss.

[Misao]

Haha, perhaps, I'm a big Don Rosa fan. If there's more to discuss.


We don't need a new thread if we just go back on-topic!

Um...

... Yoshimizu rocks.

[7h3101im4idw0lf]

Yoshimizu didn't answer the following question in an interview

"what is the relationship with Konata and Kagami?"

It's true LOL, he basically went "no comment"

[Shiraishi-kun]

He's probably gonna flesh out character relations at a later date.

I'm still all for Kona/Gami though...

[Lucky Flame]

Why didn't he just say that they're good friends or something?

[Kona]

But if he did, that contradicts kagamis image song and a few official artworks, now doesnt it?

[Lucky Flame]

Official artworks? examples please?

Well maybe not good friends, but friends to say the least.

[Misao]

They're obviously wonderful friends and would spend as much time together as possible, that's it. I bet he declined to comment because he was in an interview and didn't want to give them a complicated, long answer.

[Kona]

This would be the most notable one.

http://brokenanime.com/2008/05/06/foiled-again/

Konata and Kagami have VERY strong hints, but its always up to the fans interpretation. Which i picked up as being 'more than friends' due to body language. Same idea with Ritsu and Mio, its heavily hinted in episode 13 and another one, but its up to fans interpretation.

[Lucky Flame]

THAT'S official artwork, seriously? I thought it was fan work, this is new to me o.o

[Misao]

THAT'S official artwork, seriously? I thought it was fan work, this is new to me o.o


I remember a thread elsewhere in which we discussed this very piece.

I wonder what Kagami thinks about this one.

[Lucky Flame]

I know you love me Konata, but please, get the **** out of my house, OK?

[Kona]

dont forget that Kagami is a tsundere.

[Lucky Flame]

Yea, and Konata is a slight perv.

This is why Miyuki FTW.

[Kona]

i prefer tsukasa haha.

you know when i was flipping through the first manga, most of the first manga stretched until some of the latter episodes. so tehres definately material for a 2nd season.

[Lucky Flame]

And guess what, they're both air heads! (Great I smell a pairing -_-)

Does the manga have material that isn't covered by the anime?

[Kona]

Most likely. I didnt read the whole thing yet, i just skimmed through it. The bathhouse scene wasnt in the manga from what i skimmed through.

lol and i think two airheads paired together would be a disaster.

[Lucky Flame]

Oh yea, Miyuki's speech about the damage that UV rays can cause to your hair.

[Misao]

Oh yea, Miyuki's speech about the damage that UV rays can cause to your hair.


Going off-topic

[Kona]

well did anyone else notice what was in the manga, but not in the anime?

that and i also realized that they could use more manga material and just squeeze it in with the older episodes like how theyre doing with haruhi.

[7h3101im4idw0lf]

100% nai nai nai has some "interesting" lines
If you read the English translations of the lyrics you'll understad

There's also a official artwork of konata and kagami in pajamas looking in each others eyes, the one with them on a bed with the window/door behind them, I'm sure alot of you have seen it


And of course the various "hints" in the anime

[VK-Skelton]

But if he did, that contradicts kagamis image song and a few official artworks, now doesnt it?


How can Yoshimizu contradict his original work?
If he says otherwise, those would be contradicting him, not the other way around.
(DESPERATLY trying to steer this back on topic)

[7h3101im4idw0lf]

I don't think it's possible to steer this bak on.. I suggest a thread closure but i'll try to get it back on topic

Did yoshimizu supervise the OVA in any way? Like to see if the characters were how he wanted them, like dialogue wise or maybe motions? Idk how to explain


EDIT:
1666th post, eevviiilll

[VK-Skelton]

I don't think it's possible to steer this bak on.. I suggest a thread closure but i'll try to get it back on topic

Did yoshimizu supervise the OVA in any way? Like to see if the characters were how he wanted them, like dialogue wise or maybe motions? Idk how to explain


It wouldn't suprise me if he didn't, as looking back it seemed... kinda removed from the series as a whole (as opposed to regular SoL, the characters were in a game, surreal dream sequence, surreal... frog sequence, etc). The closest was probably the first part, and even that focused on the dog (BAKA INU), rather than the characters themselves.

I think theres a bit that can be done on the subjet of Kagami Yoshimizu, if we extend it to his role in the non-4koma work, differences between the two, etc.

[Lucky Flame]

I think we were surprised by the set-up of the OVA, it was simply strange.

[Kona]

well thats what it was, an original video animation. i didnt have a problem with it honestly. yoshimizu probably gave them permission to produce an ova and the screenwriters just did whatevers.

[7h3101im4idw0lf]

Omg the frogscene got me creeped out... Like CREEPED out


But the kagami dream... Zomgroflcopterskatingbbqsauceandhotdogsftwlolrofll olololololololol

[Lucky Flame]

"I want to join our bodies..."

O.O' "uh............"

Tick tick tick.

Yea, very imaginative.

[7h3101im4idw0lf]

Hmm I wonder if she wants to join it with her fingers or tongue...?

*imagines*

Ooooh yes!

Ok back on topic >_>


In the anime, yoshimizu uses alot of real locations like the shrine, school, etc etc... Did he grow up around those parts?

[Misao]

Hmm I wonder if she wants to join it with her fingers or tongue...?

*imagines*

Ooooh yes!

Ok back on topic >_>


In the anime, yoshimizu uses alot of real locations like the shrine, school, etc etc... Did he grow up around those parts?


I think Konata's neighborhood was supposed to be the same as the one he lived in in his childhood, or the one he lived in while starting the comic.

[Kona]

i think its the same as when he started the comic. apparently the house is turned into some kinda tourist attraction complete with konatas room decorated like in the anime.

[Lucky Flame]

And as a bonus, bomb threats!

[7h3101im4idw0lf]

Yes I know about the "konata room"

If I could go there when I go to japan...

My life is almost complete *dreamy look*

[Misao]

Yes I know about the "konata room"

If I could go there when I go to japan...

My life is almost complete *dreamy look*


You'd be all like

http://randomc.animeblogger.net/image/Lucky%20Star/Lucky%20Star%20-%2015%20-%20Large%2003.jpg

[7h3101im4idw0lf]

There ya go misao! You're thinking exactly along my wavelength!

Now if only konata were real...

[Droote]

Yoshimizu didn't answer the following question in an interview

"what is the relationship with Konata and Kagami?"

It's true LOL, he basically went "no comment"


Probably because KyoAni wants the fans to wonder thus making the anime more interesting for some.[hr]

THAT'S official artwork, seriously? I thought it was fan work, this is new to me o.o


http://luckystarshrine.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=219[hr]


Does the manga have material that isn't covered by the anime?


There are four volumes of the manga as of now (right?), but as far as I could see, the anime covered everything that was in the first voulme of the manga.

[Kona]

There are 6 bound volumes of teh manga. i think in the 6th one they graduate. i seen scans.

[VK-Skelton]

There are 6 bound volumes of teh manga. i think in the 6th one they graduate. i seen scans.


Weren't those fake?

[Misao]

There are 6 bound volumes of teh manga. i think in the 6th one they graduate. i seen scans.


They do.



THEY ACTUALLY DO?!?!?

If they don't make a seocnd season, even three years from now, DBZ-esque explosions will happen![hr]


There are 6 bound volumes of teh manga. i think in the 6th one they graduate. i seen scans.


Weren't those fake?


Spoke too soon

[Lucky Flame]

They better have been fake, the manga is still going on right? When are they making another volume?

[Kona]

I dont believe theyre fake. heres pics

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51vfYyifppL._SL500_AA240_.jpg

http://www.akiba-ch.com/img/2008/09/05/2008090501s.jpg

[Misao]

I dont believe theyre fake. heres pics

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51vfYyifppL._SL500_AA240_.jpg

http://www.akiba-ch.com/img/2008/09/05/2008090501s.jpg


Must... get... bigger... pics...

Is that Misao? Did she dye her hair? Was it a different color in the manga?! Is it someone else?! I HAS-NEEDS TO KNOWS!

[7h3101im4idw0lf]

Thats misao with normal hair...

if you mean the bottom pic that's not misao, forgot her name and the manga can't be over, yoshimizus still working on the 4coma -_-

[Misao]

Thats misao with normal hair...

if you mean the bottom pic that's not misao, forgot her name and the manga can't be over, yoshimizus still working on the 4coma -_-


I meant the top pick, so yeah, thanks!

EDIT: On my search for a bigger image (I found one) I also founded a scanned image of a strip from Volume 5! Konata and Hiyori spot Aya herself in a cafe. She's eating a chocolate cornet. And it unravels as she's eating the top. They're both on Cloud 9! *sigh*

Would that I could see celebrities that often!

[Kona]

That girl with the yellow hair, i forget her name, but shes the only second year in the manga and shes in the anime club with hiyori.

and theres another girl that was only in the ps2 game, her name is Nagamori Yamato.

http://www.raki-suta.com/img/thumb/1219406082150s.jpg

but we can only wish for a second season. they should just do it, lucky star is pretty damn popular and there is enough manga material to use, im sure of it.

[Lucky Flame]

So are those pictures fake, or does the manga go as far to show them graduate?

[Kona]

The manga shows them after the graduation ceremony. i found a translated scan somewhere, let me see if i can find it again.

[Lucky Flame]

Oh, no thanks that's no necessary, for me anyways, I can wait for the English manga's to come out officially, it makes for more of a mood while I'm walking to chapters wondering what that issue will have in store for me.

1/3 of the enjoyment of manga is the getting it, for me.

[Kona]

Well i couldnt find teh translated one lol.

i think were supposed to get volume 2 in like what, august or september, and volume 3 in november?

[Lucky Flame]

Cool, I'm a patient young man, TBH it would suck if they all came out in one time.

I wonder if Miyuki is the valedictorian for their graduation? ;)

[7h3101im4idw0lf]

Who else would it be >_>

[Misao]

Who else would it be >_>


I don't think I would want to see how the graduation goes. I wouldn't want to see our girls change. :(

[Lucky Flame]

Who else would it be >_>


Maybe Kagami?

Imagine if Konata did it XD



Please correct the following errors before continuing:

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So apparently posting too fast is an error I must correct.

[VK-Skelton]

I can assure you, it is.

Also, we're getting off topic.

[7h3101im4idw0lf]

It's the anti-flooding device

I HATE it, If it weren't for it, my post count would at least be 1.5 of what it is ATM

[VK-Skelton]

Flood control is there for a reason.
Live with it.

[7h3101im4idw0lf]

Well it keeps users like me from going absolutely crazy

Bak on topic with yoshimizu...

Anyone know why he made himself nyamo?(the cat)

[Lucky Flame]

Wait, the cat?

[Kona]

I didnt know he was the cat until i got to the end of the manga. then it hit me like a ton of bricks! i always wondered what was up with the cat.

[Lucky Flame]

Wait, what cat?, I must be dumb or something.

[VK-Skelton]

It's on the commercial break screens halfway through the episode.
And one time on Yutaka's lap.

[Lucky Flame]

Oh you mean the cute cat head with a tail? Oh.

[7h3101im4idw0lf]

*red eyes*
did...

You just call nyamo-sama a deforemed cat head? *hard breathing*

[Kona]

hey i thought it didnt have a body either lol.

[Lucky Flame]

Well I guess it doesn't as far as we know.

So....does anyone know why he made himself nyamo?

[Droote]

I didnt know he was the cat until i got to the end of the manga. then it hit me like a ton of bricks! i always wondered what was up with the cat.


Me too! I was thinking: "What the hell is with this cat? it never appears in the show."

And it looks more like a yukkuri than a cat :p

[7h3101im4idw0lf]

Dissing nyamo-sama is luckystarsphemy!!! Not knowing what he was is acceptable, but not great.

Calling him a deformed cat head with a tail is pure outrageous!!!



lol

[Misao]

Dissing nyamo-sama is luckystarsphemy!!! Not knowing what he was is acceptable, but not great.

Calling him a deformed cat head with a tail is pure outrageous!!!



lol


Hehehehehee you make me laugh.

Nyamo is Kagami's own "comic portrait" of himself that he slips into the comic now and then. And of course, the cat also appeared right before the commercial breaks for the show. You would never know this unless you wiki'ed the information, or read it somewhere else online.

[Droote]

^he also characterise himself as a human, as seen on the first page of LS manga vol. 1

[7h3101im4idw0lf]

and he appears at the end of the mangas alot,

[VK-Skelton]

^he also characterise himself as a human, as seen on the first page of LS manga vol. 1


In that one, he looks like Hiiragi Kagami. Just with warm clothes.

[Droote]

Speaking of Kagami... Is there a reason he used his name for one of the characters in LS?

[7h3101im4idw0lf]

haha ive always wondered about that droote


i think he just wanted to leave his own mark in the anime/manga, not just nyamo

[Droote]

You say potatoes, I say potatoes
You say nyamo, I say yukkuri

Anyways... I thought so too, but why did Kagami Hiiragi get his name, and not any of the others? Perhaps he identifies himself with Hiiragi?

[Misao]

You say potatoes, I say potatoes
You say nyamo, I say yukkuri

Anyways... I thought so too, but why did Kagami Hiiragi get his name, and not any of the others? Perhaps he identifies himself with Hiiragi?


I think he said that he had Kagami's personality in mind way before starting Lucky Star.

[VK-Skelton]

Kagami is a pen name, based on a character he created for an RP.
He later used a similar character in L*S
Hold on and I can fetch the source

EDIT: Yo, http://www.luckystarshrine.com/img/src/1241378342346.jpg

[Droote]

^Thanks for the cool interview!

As a returning gift, I give you this hot asian maid:

http://withmalice.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/maid.jpg