Warhammer 40k (Orginaly from Space Marine)

[Konata_is_Mine]

Talk about your Army's, Tactics, and Individual Units, Heck Talk About anything in the 40k universe!
So I'll Start with asking about how you use Dedicated Transports!

[kirant]

My friend and I love to play 2v2. He's Tao and uses massive clumps of Fire Warrors and the mech suits (Forgot its name). Literally, his plan is to shoot and run. And it works when he lets me borrow his Guard army, which is minimal infantry (LOL) and an entire array of big guns.

Question is: If/when I get the money to buy my own stuff, should I get the Guard, or should I try the close range Tyranids?

[Konata_is_Mine]

I say you should go Guard, the close Range Tyranids are nice but with enough fire power in the right place the main mass of troops while be picked off before they can reach Enemy lines, and your Friend's hit and run tactics would leave your army a disorganized band of small clumps of survivors after he Uses hit-and0runs to kill the leaders. With Guard you can employ tanks to actively hunt him down ;)

[kirant]

'kay. Now, the second part of this question: Mass infantry, Tank Rush, or a mix? My personal favourite style ATM would be a lot of Regulars and Basilisks for Russian-esc strategies.

[Konata_is_Mine]

A mix, The russian style thing sounds interesting, I gtg to school so I'll post more latter!

[nathangonmad]

I personally like to play my army as small and highly elite, it saves money and I win majority of my games I even got the finals of the last 2 tournaments I've been to. :D

Edit: The last tournament was 1000points kill points only and I fielded this army and reached the top 3. (I lost due on points because the 3 finalist had won all of our 5 games so it came down to how ''fluffy'' your army is and how fair it is to play against and I scored very low in these due to the fact my army is horribly cheesy.)

HQ
Abbadon-275points

Daemon Prince
-Wings
-Slaanesh
-Lash of Submission
Total-155points

Greater Daemon-100points

Troops
5 Chaos Space Marines-75points
Melta Gun
Champion
Total-110points

6 Chaos Space Marines-100points
Melta Gun
Rhino
Total-135points

Heavy Support
Land Raider-220
-Extra Armor
Total-235points


1000points

Although I don't really enjoy 40k as much as I used to do, the 5th edition really screwed it up allot. I play allot more fantesy now, I have 2000points of dwarfs, 2000points of Vampire Counts and about 1000points of Orcs and Goblins. I buy the majority of my models on Ebay so its normally allot cheaper and allows me to have this many armies lol.

[kirant]

^
That Chaos squad suffers a lot of damage against LR attacks. I mean, the Tao's Crisis Suits, Broadsides, and a Hammerhead would probably walk right over it.

Also, that Land Raider seems outta place. Land Raiders suffer from weak side armour IIRC (Either that or the Predator, I forget which). Small squad sizes mean it could be easily flanked.

[nathangonmad]

Land raiders are 14 armor all round and with the new rules you pretty always have a 4+ cover save (rhino sheild lol) An you know the chaos marines are only there because they have to be and I've pretty much got a guanteed turn one assault, this is because of the daemon princes power lash, it allows me to move a enermy unit 2d6 any way I like =D.

[Konata_is_Mine]

He's Got a point ya know. -_- But anyway On the Mass Infantry if you go with that make sure to have some heavy weps available or else that small Elite Army WILL pwn you. I've even seen Mass Tanks being played, During my local store's Apocalypse Games (I watched a few from the sidelines) But a mix is the way to go IMO, The Russian Style thing would work as well, but if your Artillery gets destroyed your going to need to dig your Infantry in in and try to survive the rest of the Game.

[kirant]

Land raiders are 14 armor all round and with the new rules you pretty always have a 4+ cover save (rhino sheild lol) An you know the chaos marines are only there because they have to be and I've pretty much got a guanteed turn one assault, this is because of the daemon princes power lash, it allows me to move a enermy unit 2d6 any way I like =D.
Ooh. Bad call for me (I just remember my friend, with one attack, and completely destroyed a Chaos armour).

The Russian Style thing would work as well, but if your Artillery gets destroyed your going to need to dig your Infantry in in and try to survive the rest of the Game.
Th only armies I'd be scared of with this strategy are the Tao (Who could easily fire the Hammerhead's Railgun and destroy it), Tyranid (Who easily go 1 for 1 with the IG in combat), and Eldar (Who have those nice siege weapons). I'd probably take a couple elites as well. Unfortunately, that leaves me with a hole again. If I'm playing 2v2, then I'd probably take Stormtroopers as I'll have most my guys on the front lines. However, if I ever play alone, I'd probably want Snipers, as they can take out tough infantry relatively well. Opinion?

[nathangonmad]

To be honest if your playing warhammer don't think of it as reality just stack las cannons and leman russes and nothing can go wrong really :)

[7h3101im4idw0lf]

the only warhammer game i played was on my DS...

it was pretty good but nothing to go crazy over, i havent played any other game on other consoles so cant say anything about those

[kirant]

To be honest if your playing warhammer don't think of it as reality just stack las cannons and leman russes and nothing can go wrong really
But...but...I love their Valkyries. Transport, gunship, and fast. That has to count somewhere.

the only warhammer game i played was on my DS...
This will be 99% tabletop

[Konata_is_Mine]

There's a Warhammer 40k game for DS? And There really is a sense of reality in Warhammer! Strategy's from this era are just as effective![hr]

Land raiders are 14 armor all round and with the new rules you pretty always have a 4+ cover save (rhino sheild lol) An you know the chaos marines are only there because they have to be and I've pretty much got a guanteed turn one assault, this is because of the daemon princes power lash, it allows me to move a enermy unit 2d6 any way I like =D.
Ooh. Bad call for me (I just remember my friend, with one attack, and completely destroyed a Chaos armour).

The Russian Style thing would work as well, but if your Artillery gets destroyed your going to need to dig your Infantry in in and try to survive the rest of the Game.
Th only armies I'd be scared of with this strategy are the Tao (Who could easily fire the Hammerhead's Railgun and destroy it), Tyranid (Who easily go 1 for 1 with the IG in combat), and Eldar (Who have those nice siege weapons). I'd probably take a couple elites as well. Unfortunately, that leaves me with a hole again. If I'm playing 2v2, then I'd probably take Stormtroopers as I'll have most my guys on the front lines. However, if I ever play alone, I'd probably want Snipers, as they can take out tough infantry relatively well. Opinion?

Th only armies I'd be scared of with this strategy are the Tao (Who could easily fire the Hammerhead's Railgun and destroy it
Well for the that you would use the new Line of site riles and make sure the artillery is well hidden, set up a parameter with a few Tank buster teams and thats solved,
Tyranid (Who easily go 1 for 1 with the IG in combat)
Use your massed infantry to mow the down while thinning their numbers with arty support.
and Eldar (Who have those nice siege weapons)
Can't help you there =[

[kirant]

Well for the that you would use the new Line of site riles and make sure the artillery is well hidden, set up a parameter with a few Tank buster teams and thats solved,
Problem then is: Crisis suits. (Flies overhead). Oh f***.

Use your massed infantry to mow the down while thinning their numbers with arty support.
And all the surviving ones turn my grunts into shredded wheat. IIRC, Tyranid have a ~40% chance of killing an IG, while IG have a ~25-30% chance of killing. That...and Hormaguants.

Random thought: I suffer "clutch roll failure". All the important rolls I generally need...I fail.

[nathangonmad]

How long you guys been playing anyway? I started in 3rd Ed when I was 13. (Now 17)

[kirant]

3 years now. I get about 4 games a year...(Again, I have to rent an army...and my friends live on the other side of a million people city...so I don't get over that often)

[nathangonmad]

Oh unlucky its a major part of my life I play about once a week on a Thursday night. Its more of a social event with me and my mates but its all a good laugh.

[Konata_is_Mine]

Well for the that you would use the new Line of site riles and make sure the artillery is well hidden, set up a parameter with a few Tank buster teams and thats solved,
Problem then is: Crisis suits. (Flies overhead). Oh f***.

Use your massed infantry to mow the down while thinning their numbers with arty support.
And all the surviving ones turn my grunts into shredded wheat. IIRC, Tyranid have a ~40% chance of killing an IG, while IG have a ~25-30% chance of killing. That...and Hormaguants.

Random thought: I suffer "clutch roll failure". All the important rolls I generally need...I fail.


And all the surviving ones turn my grunts into shredded wheat. IIRC, Tyranid have a ~40% chance of killing an IG, while IG have a ~25-30% chance of killing. That...and Hormaguants.
Ok, if you have a heavy weapons team you can shoot the Hormaguants while they are in QCB


Problem then is: Crisis suits. (Flies overhead). Oh f***.
If I'm not mistaken They have to wait a turn after flying to shoot, Use those tank hunters!'

Oh and i've been playing for about 3 years, (Started playing with my cousin at about 10, I used his old models, Now I'm 13 so yeah )

[kirant]

Well, again, the problem with Crisis suits is that you generally don't get very many anti-tank weapons. And Crisis suits (from what I remember) are dedicatedly tough. I remember a couple times, we've won purely on the use of Crisis Suits and Hammerheads, each getting roughed up a lot (Granted the hammerhead never got its railgun blown off). The Crisis suits that I probably would see (4-6 all at once) could probably just take it. Literally. And then get right through. And at that distance, I don't want to risk shooting the Basilisk.

Hm...maybe 2 Basilisks and 1 Leman Russ?

Also, fast attack options. Tanks...or Valkyrie?

[Konata_is_Mine]

Hmmm Yeah a Leman Russ or 2 might Holde em' off, and for Fast attack you should use sentinels (Also great for guarding Baskalisks) or Valkyries

[7h3101im4idw0lf]

im absolutely and utterly lost in this conversation... T.T

[nathangonmad]

Don't worry 7h3d4rkw0lf I've been playing it for 5years and I don't really understand their logic either ;D

[7h3101im4idw0lf]

lol, 5 years?

hm...

[nathangonmad]

Yup 5 years :D

[Konata_is_Mine]

lol, What army do you use nathan?

[kirant]

Chaos IIRC.

[nathangonmad]

I have about 4000points of chaos marines. Although I hate apocolypes so I've never played with it all at once, I have that much so my 1500army lists can vairy greatly

[CYBERDISC]

wait a sec.... are you people talking about dawn of war or the miniature game?

[7h3101im4idw0lf]

:O

The only thing I remember from warhammer is on my DS the soldiers would yell "for the emperor!"

[kirant]

wait a sec.... are you people talking about dawn of war or the miniature game?

Miniature. I literally Zerg Rush for Dawn of War.

[nathangonmad]

I think I can pretty much name every quote from the 40k universe lol. (okay maybe not, but read some badass chaos battlecrys below.)

IRON WITHIN IRON WITHOUT! -Iron warriors
FOR THE GLORY OF LOGAR-Word Bearers
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE-World Eaters
WE HAVE COME FOR YOU!-Night Lords
WE HAVE RETURNED, DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR!-Black Legion
FOR THE EMPEROR-Alpha Legion (Used as mockery)
DEATH TO HIS FOES!-Emperor's Children
All....is......dusssst....-Thousand Sons.

An that list is just from my head for each of the chaos legions :P

[kirant]

KILL! MAIM! BURN! KILL! MAIM! BURN! KILL! MAIM! BURN! (Repeat Ad Nauseum)

[Konata_is_Mine]

Kill the alien, purge the mutant, burn the heritic

[nathangonmad]

Posted this in the ''post yourself'' thread but I think it also belongs here :P I'm the one on the right btw

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/959/spacemarinezor.jpg

[Konata_is_Mine]

Was that at GamesDay?

[nathangonmad]

Warhammer world in nottingham, although I am off to games day this year!

[Konata_is_Mine]

Yay Gamesday!! I've never been to one, though my Uncle goes frequently

[nathangonmad]

Yay Gamesday!! I've never been to one, though my Uncle goes frequently


Stumbled on this thread again :P

Games day was epic this year. Lots of stuff I wanted to buy ;P Got a couple bargins aswell. Like 12 pots of ink for a quid lol.

[Konata_is_Mine]

Whoa! This is an old thread!
So you had a good time at Gamesday? Good for you! I have been introducing 40k to some of my D&D buddies at school, so I might actually have someone to play with!